It depends on one's definition of "equality." Equality of opportunity is a good thing, equal protection under the law also good. Thinking that every human is "equal" or wanting equality of outcome is VERY bad... :2 cents:
America, the land of freedom!
- Thread starter Spreeuw
- Start date
It depends on one's definition of "equality." Equality of opportunity is a good thing, equal protection under the law also good. Thinking that every human is "equal" or wanting equality of outcome is VERY bad... :2 cents:
You mean Equal Freedom for all right?
Or Absolute freedom for some, and none for some others?
So indirectly you put equality up front.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Unfortunatley life is not fair, America has some of the poorest people in the Western World yet spends huge amounts on the military, each drone/missile attack on an insurgent costs thousands of dollars yet someone else just takes that guys place. The UK wants to spend £20bn on upgrading the Trident nuclear submarines (which will never be used or scare off an extremist group) when our hospitals are closing because they have no money. India and Pakistan are fierce rivals who have already fought 3 wars so they will maintain spending money on nukes is far more important than on the ants at the bottom of the tree, throw in elements of the caste system where the people at the bottom are viewed as 'untouchables' on a lower level. The UK should take some of the blame for creating the controversial line of partition ( to make one muslim country and one secular country despite people of all religions being everwhere) and leaving them to fight it out forever more, they pretty much did the same in Palestine the following year, they couldn't keep the land so ensured there would be conflict for many years after they pulled out. Ind/Pak should have become a huge secular country following Brit withdrawl but the muslims wanted their own islamic country of Pakistan and now the country is finished, they got their islamic state got rid of all the Hindus and Sikhs and now they fight each other whilst India prospers into an economic giant. India still has a long way to go but still a remarkable achievement considering they were shunned by the US (who lavised money and military hardware on Pakistan) for so long due to their dealings with Commuunist Russia.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
That better be a joke. :nono:
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
If there is one thing I have learnt from watching every season of The X-Files, it is that you never had "freedom" to begin with...
I see your point and can agree
the highlighted part though I think plagues every political system there is. Just some to a greater or lesser extent.
Depends on how you define freedom. No one has the ability to execute real freedom. We're bound my laws of physics first, then social laws and societal laws etcetc...
but rules were meant to be broken and the striving spirit to achieve the unobtainable is what freedom is about imo. Burden by rules and prejudice or not.
Funny this has become a topic about international justice.
I would say justice has no place (yet) in the international realm, because there is no shared understanding of it. It is coming in bits and pieces, like the "universal" (western) declaration of human rights, which every country explicitly or implicitly (by rejection) accepts as a basis of argument.
But besides that, it's just realpolitik as usual.
I would say justice has no place (yet) in the international realm, because there is no shared understanding of it. It is coming in bits and pieces, like the "universal" (western) declaration of human rights, which every country explicitly or implicitly (by rejection) accepts as a basis of argument.
But besides that, it's just realpolitik as usual.
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
good point
....but well, we were talking about America, the land of WHAT PLEASE ????
The land that brought down the Berlin wall and reunited Germany.
Not a fan, however, President Reagan scared the shit out of the Communists.
I think the problem is you're tying to break down complex issues and group them in a way that doesn't work well for asking the questions your asking. Sometimes you can't take a complex issue and answer it in a simple way. Reality just don't always work that way.
There are a lot of American's who deeply value all three of those. There are also people that would group some things from one group higher than another group and vice versa depending on what that something is and how they feel about it. There are many times where a general feeling of some people is that one of those factors might be higher than the other, but for some things something else from another group is more important.
For example I don't think absolute freedom to do whatever one may want is a good thing if it hurts or exploits somebody else is good, even if I would put freedom on top of those three. There is a reason civilized society has laws that limit hurting other people. Another example is that I don't think there is any right to earn unlimited wealth or an absolute unlimited right to property, even if some rights that are conductive to both people having wealth and property might be alright individually or alright depending on the situation.
I could also say that while some things might be as important as freedom that there are some things that are such and inherent right and are so good, call them inalienable rights, that nothing should ever come above them. Others feel the same way and even if they might put something above freedom they wouldn't put those things above those inalienable rights.
All of the aliens are still currently being sorted and can be found at Area 51 , which does not actually exist except in annual congressional black budget meetings. On next years tax forms I'd like to see :
would you like to donate to the Area 51 project, this will not effect the amount you owe.
Kelly Johnson (Lockheed) must be rolling, ROFL style, in his grave.
Well my point was not to get a simple answer. My point was to make people think about if there should be one ultimate principle on which society would be based. I tried to do this by showing the connection between different values.
If you, instead from deducing our society from one ultimate value want to take multiple values, you encounter the problem of choice. (Which might be dealt with in a contractarian way like Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau and Rawls).
Most of all I wanted to show that people should not pick freedom blindly, because it must be balanced by equality and fraternity. (I think there is no justice without fraternity, because it is the shared understanding of justice that orders our societies. Injustice then would mean crossing those shared understandings )
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
True Communism has never been seen.
As for the elite taking all the wealth, that's happening right now in VERY capitalist Britain. I even hear their gonna stamp down on employee rights, like tribunals if you're illegally fired.
Haven't heard it from a reputable source yet, so hope I'm wrong.
